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		<title>Comment on Workplace Conflict- The Hidden Culprit by Kathleen Bartle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Bartle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Johnny, people fight and use aggression to intimidate and harm others. Sometimes they are aggressive because they do not have any other tools to use to protect themselves. Sometimes they are aggressive because it has worked in the past and they hope it will continue to work. Sometimes they believe that might makes right and winners should destroy their opponents. The website you mention is dismaying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Johnny, people fight and use aggression to intimidate and harm others. Sometimes they are aggressive because they do not have any other tools to use to protect themselves. Sometimes they are aggressive because it has worked in the past and they hope it will continue to work. Sometimes they believe that might makes right and winners should destroy their opponents. The website you mention is dismaying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Workplace Conflict- The Hidden Culprit by Johnny L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnny L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 13:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Workplace conflict is inevitable. There are just some people who naturally disrupts harmony no matter where they are. Some even result to mean tricks just so they can get even with a problem co-worker such as sending anonymous hate emails. I came across a site called ihatemycoworker.com where they let you actually do that stuff. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Workplace conflict is inevitable. There are just some people who naturally disrupts harmony no matter where they are. Some even result to mean tricks just so they can get even with a problem co-worker such as sending anonymous hate emails. I came across a site called ihatemycoworker.com where they let you actually do that stuff.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Workplace Conflict- The Hidden Culprit by Lynne Diligent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Diligent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 20:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really shocked to hear that measurement problem happened again.  I heard years ago that that was the exact cause of the Mars lander crash, as well.  Very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really shocked to hear that measurement problem happened again.  I heard years ago that that was the exact cause of the Mars lander crash, as well.  Very interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Workplace Conflict- The Hidden Culprit by Kmatheson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kmatheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2012 11:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant and insightful. There is so much information that advises us to trust our instincts and unconscious mind and a great deal of this is very useful but it is great to see an article that advises stepping back and looking at a situation in a logical and thoughtful  way. To ask questions before making a decision or form an opinion is blindingly obvious but it had to be said. Thank you for saying it in a way that is interesting and attention grabbing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant and insightful. There is so much information that advises us to trust our instincts and unconscious mind and a great deal of this is very useful but it is great to see an article that advises stepping back and looking at a situation in a logical and thoughtful  way. To ask questions before making a decision or form an opinion is blindingly obvious but it had to be said. Thank you for saying it in a way that is interesting and attention grabbing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is What You are Experiencing at Work Bullying&#8230;or Strategic Aggression? by Kathleen Bartle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Bartle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Blackcat,
I respectfully disagree with using the word &quot;psychopath&quot; to describe strategic aggressive bullying type behavior. In fact the problem with demonizing super aggressive people by calling them names is that it takes away power. If everyone is a psychopath, what is to be done? Not much. Such a description closes off all options for the targets and for the managers. In MHO the biggest problem with the field of conflict assessment is reducing the causes of the conflict to ONE perspective. 

This problem is exactly why I created a typology system. My system is based on a detailed analysis of over 20 years of research into workplace aggression conducted by the best social scientists in the world. My system takes into account Character Disorder as one type of aggressive person. So, when there is a character disorder, we can deal with it. But when other circumstances exist-strategic aggression/cultural influences, for example, or abrasive/unconscious aggressive behavior, or &quot;stick&quot; leadership and management style, I can propose and execute effective interventions.

The greatest contribution we can make is to empower employers, perpetrators and targets to understand their options and proceed accordingly. We cannot do this with a single POV of workplace aggressive behaviors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Blackcat,<br />
I respectfully disagree with using the word &#8220;psychopath&#8221; to describe strategic aggressive bullying type behavior. In fact the problem with demonizing super aggressive people by calling them names is that it takes away power. If everyone is a psychopath, what is to be done? Not much. Such a description closes off all options for the targets and for the managers. In MHO the biggest problem with the field of conflict assessment is reducing the causes of the conflict to ONE perspective. </p>
<p>This problem is exactly why I created a typology system. My system is based on a detailed analysis of over 20 years of research into workplace aggression conducted by the best social scientists in the world. My system takes into account Character Disorder as one type of aggressive person. So, when there is a character disorder, we can deal with it. But when other circumstances exist-strategic aggression/cultural influences, for example, or abrasive/unconscious aggressive behavior, or &#8220;stick&#8221; leadership and management style, I can propose and execute effective interventions.</p>
<p>The greatest contribution we can make is to empower employers, perpetrators and targets to understand their options and proceed accordingly. We cannot do this with a single POV of workplace aggressive behaviors.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is What You are Experiencing at Work Bullying&#8230;or Strategic Aggression? by Blackcat64013</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blackcat64013</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2011 07:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bully is better described as an organizational psychopath.  This person is going to cost the organization in a multitude of ways.  If you decide to leave, make sure you lodge a claim for worker&#039;s compensation for psychological injury.  Getting help certainly should be the first step before you do anything else.  Do not wait until you are destroyed in body and soul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bully is better described as an organizational psychopath.  This person is going to cost the organization in a multitude of ways.  If you decide to leave, make sure you lodge a claim for worker&#8217;s compensation for psychological injury.  Getting help certainly should be the first step before you do anything else.  Do not wait until you are destroyed in body and soul!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anger is Not Authority: The Costs of Anger and 5 Ways to Get a Grip on Yourself by Elle_kittyca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elle_kittyca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also liked it.
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		<title>Comment on What Makes People Upset, Anxious, or Abrasive? Looking at the Gap between Values and Behavior by Lynne Diligent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynne Diligent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, I really like your suggestions for questions in interviews!  I will use these as examples and make up a list of questions to have on hand for the next time we interview someone.  

I also wanted to mention I&#039;ve been reading a very interesting book called Motivation Management, by Thad Green.  He breaks motivation down into four quadrants, and I see that the problem I am having here is that effort is not usually rewarded in terms of salary, while lack of effort is not punished in terms of firing or tying salary to performance.  Not much I can do about it, but it was quite helpful in understanding what is going on!

Best regards,
Lynne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, I really like your suggestions for questions in interviews!  I will use these as examples and make up a list of questions to have on hand for the next time we interview someone.  </p>
<p>I also wanted to mention I&#8217;ve been reading a very interesting book called Motivation Management, by Thad Green.  He breaks motivation down into four quadrants, and I see that the problem I am having here is that effort is not usually rewarded in terms of salary, while lack of effort is not punished in terms of firing or tying salary to performance.  Not much I can do about it, but it was quite helpful in understanding what is going on!</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Lynne</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Makes People Upset, Anxious, or Abrasive? Looking at the Gap between Values and Behavior by Kathleen Bartle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen Bartle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Lynne,
Thank you for your comment regarding my perspective on Values Gaps. Indeed this is a serious problem and is often overlooked to the detriment of all concerned. 

It looks like you may not have a great deal of control over firing and hiring but, if you did, then my guidance would be to add values/behavior/goals into the interviews so you could develop a clear sense of where the gaps might be. 

The  questions you might ask to tease out the values challenge from training challenges include those that focus on the values you are seeking. 

So, in the cooking case: How do you feel about tasting the food as you work? Or, What is your cooking strategy? Or, I wonder how you go about ensuring the quality and flavors of your food? (which is the best question thus far because then you&#039;re really talking about values and not behavior).

It seems clear that your frustration with the processes you experience in your country of choice. I appreciate the structural dilemmas you have with government policies. However, if you can work with the mindset of values gaps and then create questions for new hires and your current employees, perhaps you can move the conversation from &quot;Here is what you do&quot; to &quot;I understand why you do what you do but in this office I expect (insert you expectations). Can you do it? What would it take for you to achieve it?&quot;  Just a thought based on this tiny piece of info on your challenges. I could be missing the point. It wouldn&#039;t the the first time.

Best regards,
Kathleen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Lynne,<br />
Thank you for your comment regarding my perspective on Values Gaps. Indeed this is a serious problem and is often overlooked to the detriment of all concerned. </p>
<p>It looks like you may not have a great deal of control over firing and hiring but, if you did, then my guidance would be to add values/behavior/goals into the interviews so you could develop a clear sense of where the gaps might be. </p>
<p>The  questions you might ask to tease out the values challenge from training challenges include those that focus on the values you are seeking. </p>
<p>So, in the cooking case: How do you feel about tasting the food as you work? Or, What is your cooking strategy? Or, I wonder how you go about ensuring the quality and flavors of your food? (which is the best question thus far because then you&#8217;re really talking about values and not behavior).</p>
<p>It seems clear that your frustration with the processes you experience in your country of choice. I appreciate the structural dilemmas you have with government policies. However, if you can work with the mindset of values gaps and then create questions for new hires and your current employees, perhaps you can move the conversation from &#8220;Here is what you do&#8221; to &#8220;I understand why you do what you do but in this office I expect (insert you expectations). Can you do it? What would it take for you to achieve it?&#8221;  Just a thought based on this tiny piece of info on your challenges. I could be missing the point. It wouldn&#8217;t the the first time.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Kathleen</p>
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		<title>Comment on What Makes People Upset, Anxious, or Abrasive? Looking at the Gap between Values and Behavior by Lynne Diligent</title>
		<link>http://www.kathleenbartle.com/upset-anxious-abrasive/comment-page-1/#comment-2250</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynne Diligent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 08:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathleen, I think this is one of the best posts I&#039;ve ever seen you make.  I never thought of this problem before as a values gap (especially looking at it from the perspective of the boss).

I am a foreign expat who lives in a country where workers cannot be fired easily, where many refuse to improve or accept training, and where even the threat of losing a job is not that severe for women workers who are not married because they live at home with their families and are not really responsible for supporting themselves!  Some of them are just putting in time to earn pocket money until they &quot;get married.&quot; (and yes, I am a woman myself) Married women with children often care more about their jobs and are willing to improve.  Also, most men seem to be better workers and seem to care about advancing their career (and with saving money for the future), even if still living at home with their parents.

Looking back at the women I did have problems with, I see it really was a values gap.  No matter HOW much training I gave them, the result was no better because they did not place any value on the things they were being hired to do (in ANY work a good result comes only from paying attention to the DETAILS).  A lot of people here (some men, too) just want to work &quot;mindlessly&quot; without thinking.  They don&#039;t want to be bothered with details.  Here is the result:  cooks making food that is inedible because they don&#039;t taste it and adjust seasonings; people who clean not bothering to wash the dishes CLEAN, not scrubbing the bathroom tile or mirrors or toilets CLEAN; in travel agencies, not showing up for tours and then not being available for contact by telephone; in schools, being hired to grade papers and then not even bothering to learn the material they are grading on; in schools, being hired to walk children from class-to-class or supervise them at recess, yet letting them run wild and commit all sorts of atrocities.  And no, we can&#039;t fire any of these people as management doesn&#039;t want to pay the HUGE indemnites in this country that are required to fire someone......is it any wonder that the bosses go crazy???

It&#039;s like being in a no-win situation......it&#039;s not one company like this, it&#039;s MOST companies and government agencies.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathleen, I think this is one of the best posts I&#8217;ve ever seen you make.  I never thought of this problem before as a values gap (especially looking at it from the perspective of the boss).</p>
<p>I am a foreign expat who lives in a country where workers cannot be fired easily, where many refuse to improve or accept training, and where even the threat of losing a job is not that severe for women workers who are not married because they live at home with their families and are not really responsible for supporting themselves!  Some of them are just putting in time to earn pocket money until they &#8220;get married.&#8221; (and yes, I am a woman myself) Married women with children often care more about their jobs and are willing to improve.  Also, most men seem to be better workers and seem to care about advancing their career (and with saving money for the future), even if still living at home with their parents.</p>
<p>Looking back at the women I did have problems with, I see it really was a values gap.  No matter HOW much training I gave them, the result was no better because they did not place any value on the things they were being hired to do (in ANY work a good result comes only from paying attention to the DETAILS).  A lot of people here (some men, too) just want to work &#8220;mindlessly&#8221; without thinking.  They don&#8217;t want to be bothered with details.  Here is the result:  cooks making food that is inedible because they don&#8217;t taste it and adjust seasonings; people who clean not bothering to wash the dishes CLEAN, not scrubbing the bathroom tile or mirrors or toilets CLEAN; in travel agencies, not showing up for tours and then not being available for contact by telephone; in schools, being hired to grade papers and then not even bothering to learn the material they are grading on; in schools, being hired to walk children from class-to-class or supervise them at recess, yet letting them run wild and commit all sorts of atrocities.  And no, we can&#8217;t fire any of these people as management doesn&#8217;t want to pay the HUGE indemnites in this country that are required to fire someone&#8230;&#8230;is it any wonder that the bosses go crazy???</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like being in a no-win situation&#8230;&#8230;it&#8217;s not one company like this, it&#8217;s MOST companies and government agencies.</p>
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